Statistics: Posted by Stewball — Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:14 pm
Statistics: Posted by TheDenizen — Mon Jul 07, 2014 8:59 pm
ShogunRua wrote:The film has almost nothing to say about God or Christian doctrine itself. Rather, it's a searing criticism of organized religion, especially cults.
Statistics: Posted by ShogunRua — Sun Apr 27, 2014 9:23 pm
[/quote]Yes, via total blind faith.
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The problem is that because all revealed religions are prevarications, we were only watching people being idiotic because they've been taught to blindly follow their feelings instead of guiding them with reason.
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Paul is the beast of revelation, not as revealed by God, but as judged by the original Jewish followers of Jesus who remained Jews. Christianity should rightly be called Paulism.
Indeed. That's rather presumptuous. And looks quite a lot like blind faith.
Statistics: Posted by Stewball — Sun Apr 27, 2014 6:03 am
jacobb1313 wrote:What does God need with a Starship?
The problem with an imminent God is that there is nothing but hearsay evidence for it--and an infinite amount of hard evidence against it.
No, that comment was about Her.
Our working definition of God is Truth, whether the Truth is a sentient super being, or not.
Yes, via total blind faith.
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The problem is that because all revealed religions are prevarications, we were only watching people being idiotic because they've been taught to blindly follow their feelings instead of guiding them with reason.
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Paul is the beast of revelation, not as revealed by God, but as judged by the original Jewish followers of Jesus who remained Jews. Christianity should rightly be called Paulism.
Statistics: Posted by Mentaculus — Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:22 am
I personally don't believe in a laissez faire God, because I accept the concepts of [Common] Grace and Imminence, implying an active role in our affairs while retaining free will, so I think I found our disconnect. Each of us is of course informed by our belief or our disbelief.
Using the logic of the Her and Noah comments, a 'realistic' definition of God is an impossibility given the metrics established here: it's Schrödinger's Deity. In your words, Noah "offers a possible scientific foundation for a hereafter,
yet God is most notable by It's total absence from notice", but if you seek, there you shall find.
You connected the two inherently, so the argument falls apart. It is admittedly circular on my end of the spectrum, too: reason is an attribute of God, we are created in God's image and retain common grace and providential order in creation, therefore reason can itself be viewed as an act of divine intervention.
So, can a definition of God exist in a film/art/work with no God? By tracing an outline of a form and ignoring the contents, does that not also define the object, in some way?
I think the more productive argument is to find those films mentioning God explicitly, see what they say, and find the common themes and connecting threads. Otherwise, we are looking for films about God that are noncommittal (but if we discover the answer may in fact be Yes, it demands said commitment) and ethereal.
ShogunRua wrote:The film has almost nothing to say about God or Christian doctrine itself. Rather, it's a searing criticism of organized religion, especially cults.
Certainly yes, but the Daddy issues from nearly all characters (ranging from incest to physical abuse to religious dogmatism to molestation to gender-bending and machismo to castration) in combination with its clear religious overtones made me think we were seeking a definition of God/Father to Man(/Woman) as one of its many possible readings.
I don't think you can quote Corinthians 13 in its entirety in one take and act coy about God's possible influence.
Statistics: Posted by Stewball — Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:23 pm
Stewball wrote:As for your initial comment, since it appears that our realistic choices are boiling down to either no God, or a laissez faire God, it's really hard to talk about something for which there is no evidence either way, only speculation. Ergo, the need for movies like the last two I posted, especially Her, where God is the "invisible" elephant in the room.....or not. Now there's a quantum qubit paradox for you: on, off, or both.
ShogunRua wrote:The film has almost nothing to say about God or Christian doctrine itself. Rather, it's a searing criticism of organized religion, especially cults.
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Kublai Kahn wrote:What about The Last Temptation of Christ? I know it's considered blasphemous by some, but really is a great exploration into the human side of Jesus Christ.
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